Dude, no.

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
06/11/2018 at 20:53 • Filed to: None

I mean... it’s a nice car. But it certainly does not “Feel better than an M3"

Neither does it “hide it’s weight” even before adding the mods to my car it had a horrifying amount of body roll. It is not a sports car. It is a very good GT car, and it has a good engine. But
IT
Does
NOT
FEEL
Like an M3.

For that we’d need a piggyback tune on that engine, a good weight reduction, a little lowering and better rubber (maybe americans get better tyres than the shitty ContiSportContact 5s my car has). Even then the it’s a long car, and unless you add rear wheel steering you’ll notice it.

DISCUSSION (27)

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 20:56

Is this one of those where the reviewer describes the car’s handling “at the limit” when he’s not even approaching 30% of the car’s limit? Those are great.

Spanfeller is a twat > jimz
06/11/2018 at 20:58

He took a heavy car (laden with 3-4 passengers) down a curvy road....

MAYBE Kia firmed up the front end with the AWD system, but otherwise that car rolls. Saying it handles like an M3 is dissrespectful to the designers of the Kia that, clearly given the size of the car, the power, and the suspension tunning, wanted to make a highway cruiser that could handle a bit if prompted.

I have another burner, try to guess it! > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:18

“horrifying amount of body roll.”

Body roll isn’t a bad thing. Contrary to popular belief, it isn’t correlated with weight transfer, causing or caused by it. I think way too many people over emphasize it’s importance and too harshly judge cars that have it.

I think it’s one of those things companies go out of their way to dial out in order to make a better impression on reviews. Rather than actually tuning a car for the customer and how they’ll use it.

Plus as the geometry on cars gets better, the less the effects of body roll come into play.

InFierority Complex > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:19

Quotes the lead designer about how they set out to make a great GT car, mostly shoots footage and drives down bumpy two lane back-roads. Checks out.

I love RCR but I don’t go to him to know about a car’s driving dynamics.

Spanfeller is a twat > I have another burner, try to guess it!
06/11/2018 at 21:20

Cornering flat gives you confidence as a driver... it might not make a big factual difference, but it’s important for the sensation of control and speed.

Reece-Current Stinger GT owner > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:28

The main problem is when I told him it felt as good to me as my old E46 M3, he said that I was looking at the new M3.

Spanfeller is a twat > Reece-Current Stinger GT owner
06/11/2018 at 21:31

Wait... Mr. Wingadinga tested your car and you didn´t let us know?

AWD...Aurora Black, red leather, GT2, no front plate.

OMG IT WAS YOUR CAR.

Well, it’s a nice car, man, but I’ve sat in M4s and it’s another ballpark. I would take the Kia over a 340i or an S4 any day of the week because I think it’s a better car than those... but not an M4!

Spanfeller is a twat > InFierority Complex
06/11/2018 at 21:32

RCR Drama
Doug Thoroughness
Farah Dynamics.

Livin de Oppo LYFE!

Reece-Current Stinger GT owner > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:33

See the funny thing is I drove a stick m4 that my dealership just got traded in, and while the transmission was fucking amazing, the car itself was numb and the Kia still felt better, more body roll, but more comfortable and just as fast.

Spanfeller is a twat > Reece-Current Stinger GT owner
06/11/2018 at 21:38

Was it a comp pack or a normal f30 M4?

The M4 has changed drastically throughout it’s life (the CS is the one to go for now) But I still think the Kia has too much body roll (it might be that I have the RWD version and maybe the front is a bit looser because it’s lighter?)

The Kia is a prolific cruiser, and I can think of no cars short of an S class I’d rather take on a long journey. It also has some of the best seats of any car I’ve driven. But it’s still lacking in power compared to the M4, RS4, and C63. Kia could solve that with a piggyback tune, but eh...

I don’t think it should be competing with the M4. It’s a bit bigger than the M4 and it is more comfortable. It is class leading in that sense because it proves HP is not the only thing that matters.

Reece-Current Stinger GT owner > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:40

It was a normal F30 but had a tune a the lighter exhaust, so it was close to a comp pack. That being said I never looked at that, really the other two big options for me were a GS350 (which is slow as fuck) and a q50 RS, which looks like every moms car I see in my town.

I have another burner, try to guess it! > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:40

It can go both ways, body roll gives you an *indication* of weight transfer (Since roll and weight transfer are both caused by cornering forces.)

Plus too stiff suspension causes the car to be upset more by road imperfections, which isn’t confidence inspiring at all.

It’s one of the big differences between a sports car and a track car. A track car can be much stiffer and roll much less because a race track is smooth as glass compared to a public road. Plus stiffer sprung cars loose traction more abruptly than softer sprung cars which loose traction more gradually. On a race track losing traction abruptly isn’t nearly as dangerous as on the street. On the street you want to loose it more gradually.

That’s why the Miata is so well loved. It’s softer sprung than most sports cars which makes it much more forgiving to drive hard on public roads.

Dusty Ventures > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 21:41

RCR Drama
Doug Quirks
Farah Dynamics

FTFY

Spanfeller is a twat > Reece-Current Stinger GT owner
06/11/2018 at 21:46

Well, the stinger is great! class leading I’d say, but that doesn’t taper over the issues it has... I think Mr. Regular tried too hard to bite into the underdog narrative of the car.

Spanfeller is a twat > I have another burner, try to guess it!
06/11/2018 at 21:49

The miata can have soft springs because it’s a light car and it’s hard to upset it. So much body transfer in the stinger overwhelms the outer tires (inducing understeer) and also limits the contact patch of the inside tires (because the swaybars are too forgiving) which too causes understeer, specially given that half of the engine (and the radiator and intercooler) hang aft of the suspension tower.

I have another burner, try to guess it! > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 22:11

Stiffening the suspension won’t necessarily fix it’s handling problems though, and the weight of the car isn’t very relevant, because a spring being loose or stiff will be relative to the car. A heavier car will need stiffer springs to support the weight, but it doesn’t necessarily mean it’ll ride stiffer than a lighter car. For example the springs on a Rolls Royce are stupid stiff compared to any other car, but it till rides softly because of how heavy it is.

As for the Stinger. Stiffer roll bars would indeed reduce camber change and maintain a larger contact patch. The downside is that the stiffer bar limits how much the wheels can move independently of each other. The stiffer the bars are the more similar you make your independent suspension closer to that of a solid axle, like an older mustang everyone like to make fun of.

So although it wouldn’t loose as much grip from camber gain during cornering, it would loose more grip on rough surfaces as the wheels aren’t able to articulate as much.

IMO, and I’d assume many others, it’s much easier to anticipate and predict the grip lost from the car “rolling over” than how much it’ll loose over bad pavement. Since body roll is proportional to cornering forces, while surface quality is dependant the exact bit of road your on.

Track cars can get away with it because race tracks are so smooth, the benefits of reducing camber gain out weight the car getting upset by road imperfections.

Shift24 > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 22:50

Basically why I stopped paying attention to RCR. Getting a bit too weird with shit, calling the stinger a “Luxury sports sedan”, and agreed to the bs comparison to an M3 when it’s closer to an M5 in weight and size (see SS comparison in video).

I know it’s his shtick but wut the fuck

Thought the k900 was the luxury sedan. The singer looks great but it’s a sports sedan. You can easily tell by an interior that can easily be put to shame by an E60.

He obviously hasn’t driven true performance to it’s edge or he wouldn’t be making that comparison to an M in the first place. It might feel ok and tight on the back roads but get it on the track and see how it handles.

Spanfeller is a twat > Shift24
06/11/2018 at 22:54

Well, I’ve been on E60s and I can swear the Kia has a nicer interior.

SUEDE HEADLINER <3

I think RCR focuses a lot more on the percieved social implications of a car. I think he could’ve gone both ways: he either put the stinger as a marketing coup by Kia (which it is) or as an underdog trying to carve a spot on the top (which it is)

There is a duality on the purpose and perceived identity of the Stinger. But it is irrelevant when you speak about dynamics. The car is better than an F30 in many regards, but to say it handles better than an M3 I think pushes it.

His Stigness > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 23:45

Who the FUCK confuses a Stinger for a Tesla?!?!?!?!

Spanfeller is a twat > His Stigness
06/11/2018 at 23:49

Stingers have hatchbacks

Teslas have hatchbacks

Thus the stinger is a Tesla.

Seems like 5 year old reasoning to me but fair enough

His Stigness > Spanfeller is a twat
06/11/2018 at 23:58

Or he talks to a lot of blind people.

Spanfeller is a twat > His Stigness
06/12/2018 at 07:43

Well, he’s a literature student, maybe he failed philosophy 101 and stayed in Transitive Property

Shift24 > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 11:30

But Tablet dash (which unfortunately everyone is doing) and plastic every where. To quote Top Gear “The gear selector does feel like it’s come off a toddler’s toolkit playset”. I will be honest, an e60 might not put the Kia to same as I previously stated but the E60 is a nicer place to be. Just the steering wheel alone highlights the differences.

And I agree RCR aims on the other implications (cultural and social) of the car and how Kia is trying to change its name. But stick to that, tangents like comparing it to a 7 series and the S-Class just shows how small his knowledge of the subject is.

His next point is were he hits it on the head about the car. They will have a chance to be the next CB750 and change the market. Though personally I have a feeling it will change the market but unlike how the CB750 made Honda a real player, Kia will be left because its so hard to break a brands identity.

TG link. They liked it but would take an 44oi before it. TG still has a hard on for BMW, which is sad because I agree most of the F3x lineup is junk.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/kia/stinger/verdict

Spanfeller is a twat > Shift24
06/12/2018 at 11:36

what E60 do you have? Because the screen surround on the cheap console is just as bad as the Kia and the fuctionality is much more limited. If anything, the plastics in the BMW are a bit better, but I prefer the Kia wheel.. the shifter though is kind of dumb; I prefer BMW’s and JLR’s solution

Shift24 > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 14:46

Dont own an e60, just been in them. And if your comparing trims I would do an M-sport to the GT. Also on the I dont, the new steering wheel trend of slim center posts (cant think of the actual name....) is nice but that center air bag cap is super cheap.

Also I had pics in the last post but Kinja....

Kinja'd!!!

Spanfeller is a twat > Shift24
06/12/2018 at 14:57

That’s not the M sport; check the gear lever.

Yes, the Stinger’s airbag cover is bad, really bad. Kia should’ve done better because it feels inadequate in a Rio nevermind a Stinger. But otherwise I’d say the interior is better than a 15 year old design car.

Better than a G30 or even an F10? No.

Shift24 > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 22:11

Shit lied to on google and I see that now....

Kinja'd!!!